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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:59 am

No, I don't think that he is hurting his kids either! He would have told them exactly what is going on! I remember Travis Payne saying on TII that Michael's kids are old enough to appreciate exactly what he is doing...now obviously Travis was talking about the rehearsals...or was he? Wink Also, who is Dimitrie Draghicescu? I have never heard of that person before!

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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:08 am

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I remember Travis Payne saying on TII that Michael's kids are old enough to appreciate exactly what he is doing...now obviously Travis was talking about the rehearsals...or was he? Wink

Exactly my thoughts !! Laughing I mean, I think there's so many hints to this ! How can we not see it ?!

Hmm well Dimitrie Draghicescu is/was a 47 year old Michael Jackson impersonator, here's a pic of Dimitrie Draghicescu
ttp://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa236/kaywax/5-14.jpg
you can tell it's not Michael, he's just off from Michael as we know him, but he's still a very good impersonator ! I heard he had a terminal illness, and because of that, people speculate that he died in Michael's place because he hasn't been seen or heard from or anything. I honestly can't find out anything about him besides some of those pictures ! Shocked and the fact that he supposedly died for Michael and that his family was paid off handsomely.
If you look him up, don't get confused with the Dimitrie Draghicescu who died in 1945.

I believe Dimitrie Draghicescu was a real person, and that he died on June 25, 2009. I mean, think of this :

The bedroom that was setup like a hospital room was where Dimitrie was kept and cared for, until his illness finally took its toll, while Michael kept his own room. Nobody was allowed upstairs in his house, because they didn't want anybody to find out about him. His family lives in Romania, or maybe he didn't have a family; either way, no English, nobody will believe them, and Dimitrie takes the secret to the grave, and Michael pulls off the hoax.

Now, when you think about it more, it seems a bit cruel. That's why I was hoping someone else would know something about it, also think of it this way; would Michael let a terminally ill man die and pretend it was him ? Never to know who Dimitrie Draghicescu was as a man ? I'm not so sure about this one, but if that's how it went, I imagine it went as I theorized.

I'll give you a link to Illum. Theo, and you can read it and tell me what you think :
Illuminus Theo

What they claim seems SO OUT THERE, about the occult and Michael, BUT. Michael IS into numerology, and he was controlled by the media until his Bad album, when he kind of broke free. Well that's what they say, again I'd like to hear what you guys may think of this.

I know much of this has most likely been covered, but I like to talk and refresh. After two years, I think it's always nice to recover what we've learned and discuss what could be more clues, or the truth !
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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:01 pm

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Exactly my thoughts !! Laughing I mean, I think there's so many hints to this ! How can we not see it ?!

Hmm well Dimitrie Draghicescu is/was a 47 year old Michael Jackson impersonator, here's a pic of Dimitrie Draghicescu
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa236/kaywax/5-14.jpg

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but that guy is Carlo Riley right? Maybe that is why I hadn't heard of him before lol!

Now, I had heard stories of someone dying instead of Michael on June 25th 2009...I think most of us heard it was E'Casanova...but he was seen at the memorial, so he is still alive lol! Anyway, I have no idea if anyone did die that day...I kinda forgot about it so it was kinda good you brought it back up to let us all think about it again! But like I say, I have no idea!

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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:33 am

Look this:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1262&start=50

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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:39 am

I found this:

Very interessting to read:

http://gatorgirl277.blogspot.com/2011_08_01_archive.html

This is the first time that I hear from doctors from the UCLA hospital.
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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:28 am

@Manu : Great finds ! Sorry I didn't get to post until now, I haven't had the time recently, but I have been wtchig the site from my ipod and I've kept up with Twitter and such.



Okay. I've been racking my brain the passed few days, and I've been watching the news on TV involving Michael and the trial, and some things about Jermaine, and I'd like to share my thoughts.

I'm going to start with Jermaine. Forgive me if I'm a little off, I haven't had my coffee and I'm a little tired and sick lol!

Here I go : I watched on GMA two mornings ago, and I saw Jermaine talk about his escape plan for Michael should anything go wrong in the 2005 trial ; Which immediately made me think 'why now? Why now, do you bring this up?' It's a big deal, and he said it like it was just nothing.
Maybe a clue. He said the plane would have taken Michael to Bahrain (as I typed this, I hear Michael Jackson's 'Man in the Mirror' on GMA haha ! <3), and as we know, Michael is friends with the Prince of Bahrain I believe, correct me if I'm wrong. But I know he has connections to Bahrain. So maybe Jermaine dropped us a HUGEEE clue, because it seems like that.

Next, Jermaine was talking about the funeral. In he words, not exact, he said that when the casket was open, he touched Michael's face; it was so soft, and he opened his eye lids and looked him in the eye and told him he loves him.
THIS SET OFF ALARMS FOR ME. Not only me, but my friend whom I talked about it with also.
I'm not a mortician, at all, in no way am I- but I'm an educated young lady, and I've had my share of personal losses. Enough to know this. . .
The skin, after embalming, is hard. Have any of you ever been to a funeral of a loved one, and kissed them on the head ? I have, and the skin was cold and hard, not soft.
I looked it up on the internet, about the process of embalming, and I read about the eyes. I'm sorry if what I'm about to say is a little disturbing to you, but I'm giving facts, so please bare with me.
Okay, the eyes are the first thing to begin to decay in the decaying process, or what have you, I'm sure some people know this. Well, I looked up the embalming process on the internet, and after reading some rather disturbing information, I found this gem;
it told me that because after death, the eyeballs sink into the back of the head, and the mortician will place 'eye caps' under the eye lids, I guess so that the eyelids have a round appearance, rather than a sunken in look.
Also. The eyes and mouth are normally glued shut, as to prevent any disturbing opening. That being said, how did Jermaine open his eyes and LOOK INTO his eyes ?
Yeah, thanks Jermaine 'Airport' Jackson. Very Happy

Has anybody read this short blog thing ?
http://michaeljacksonfuneral.org/michael-jacksons-death-certificate/

It makes a great point; I still want to know why Michael is STILL not listed on Forest Lawn's website.
(And. . . There goes the Halloween commercial with Thriller in it ! What timing !)
I JUST went to their burial site locator thing, and I tried EVERYTHING I could think of, leaving no death date, leaving no birth date, but I found nothing. It troubles me greatly at the same time, because of this ;
Okay, I'm not saying this is what I believe, because I KNOW Michael is alive, but say he is passed on, and I wanted to find his grave to visit him and pay respects. I can't find him ! And no name on his grave, this puts me into despair slightly. I've said it before, and I STAND by it FIRMLY.
I would NEVER bury a family member that I LOVE without putting their name on their grave. NEVER. That's so disrespectful. Here lies. . . NOBODY, is what it says to me.

Nobody is buried there. It's all a part of the hoax.

Until I see the solid proof, I will not believe. The bible says ; "Beware false profits" and I believe everyone has done just so, those who believe he is gone, that is. They believed what they were TOLD, but not what's true.

He's still with us guys, working behind the scenes and making plans and living happy. Maybe he's got a plan for a comeback, maybe he's choosing to live the rest of his life out of the spotlight.
But his presence will always be felt, because he's not done yet.

I've all but given up on a BAMS day, BUT. I have my last hopes set on October 8th. If there is no BAM on the 8th, I believe that just like the day God chooses to end the world, none of us shall know. Only Michael himself will know when it's going to happen.

Thanks for reading <3 I hope you all have a lot to say about this !!
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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:19 am

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Here I go : I watched on GMA two mornings ago, and I saw Jermaine talk about his escape plan for Michael should anything go wrong in the 2005 trial ; Which immediately made me think 'why now? Why now, do you bring this up?' It's a big deal, and he said it like it was just nothing.
Maybe a clue. He said the plane would have taken Michael to Bahrain (as I typed this, I hear Michael Jackson's 'Man in the Mirror' on GMA haha ! <3), and as we know, Michael is friends with the Prince of Bahrain I believe, correct me if I'm wrong. But I know he has connections to Bahrain. So maybe Jermaine dropped us a HUGEEE clue, because it seems like that.

My thinking would be that it IS a huge clue because like you said, why has he mentioned it now? Not before? I wonder if this is a clue as to the location of Michael NOW? Anyway, something is not right with him mentioning it this late after the trial!

I haven’t seen this interview that Jermaine did because I am from the UK, so thank you very much for explaining some of the stuff he said…anyway, when I read what you said about the process of embalming, it got me thinking about something I was thinking last night…(my brain never switches off from the hoax lol)…When the body was coming out of the helicopter, it was rock solid, but to my experience, rigor mortise doesn’t set into the body for quite a few hours! I got this from Yahoo Answers: “Rigor mortis starts about three hours after death; it reaches its maximum after about 12 hours. It gradually dissipates over the next 72 hours or so.” So how on earth was that body that stiff after such a short amount of time? Which then brings me to what Jermaine has said about the funeral…I cannot remember the exact date of the funeral, but it was MONTHS after his ‘death’ right? Well surely even after embalming, the body would not allow an open casket after that amount of time? Also, I am sure we have all seen the funeral footage…the casket was NOT open right? Or does Jermaine mean it was opened once inside the building?

BTW, this made me laugh
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Yeah, thanks Jermaine 'Airport' Jackson.
lol!

I totally agree about the name on the grave stuff! But like Pearl Jr said in her DVD, he probably didn’t want to put a name there because he didn’t want to put himself in an early grave by ‘tempting fate’. The same reason why Elvis spelt his middle name wrong! (Yeah, I have been reading the same book Pearl has ‘Is Elvis Alive…or something by that name lol!) It's actually amazing how similar their 'deaths' are! Even down to the ambulances BOTH being from the FIRE DEPARTMENT!


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Until I see the solid proof, I will not believe.
Same here, I have said to all of my friends, I will not believe until I have seen a body myself!

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I've all but given up on a BAMS day, BUT. I have my last hopes set on October 8th.
I have given up on them too…well kinda lol, I have the 8th October and also one that Tom pointed out to Pearl….11/11/11 which was written at the bottom of the lyrics sheet for Best of Joy!

Thanks for taking the time to read my long 'essay' lol!

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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:51 pm

Thank you, beLIEve in L.O.V.E. and Captain_EO for your post.

I too have lost two dear people. My father and my brother.
My brother died in my arms. And my father died so suddenly.
I was not around when my father left us. I saw him only a day later. I can fully confirm what you write them.

But I've read: Jermaine saw Michael at the UCLA. Michael was in a room on a cart or something. Michael was dressed in a robe from the hospital. If this is so. ... and Jermaine has seen Michael in the hospital, then
could agree in time and the body was not quite stiff.
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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:54 am

Hi, I have very little time and I'm very excited.

I read this on another forum. And now, I am much more emotionally upset.
Why? This section, where Michael does not work on the samples of the stage.
Confusion, balance problems, absence, he screams and he is very hard, he is aggressive ... etc.
That this is a toxicological effect. this could be true.
I know that very well, because in my circle of friends is exactly the same thing happens. This friend has used drugs, regularly but never too much.
He went to work every day, and noticed no negative, long, long time.
But suddenly, he showed exactly the same symptoms. , as with Michael.

Then, he had a physical Collapse. He had to quickly be brought into an emergency hospital
At the hospital, was diagnosed with a toxicological poisoning of the body,
Perhaps the term: to know you better: overdose.
Hmmm ..... it is very difficult to write this in a different language.
I hope you understand me.

OK. My friend had a stroke, he had fallen into a coma. for a long time.
Today he lives, but he has physical and mental disability - he is now disabled he is Invalide.

That's what makes me very excited at the moment.

I'll copy this article from the other forum. Read this article well.

Earlier, I had this thought: What, if the same thing happened to Michael? He was at UCLA but did not die, but it happened the same as with a friend of mine?
Michael would not want to, we view this state of Him. Perhaps he said, or his family, in this physical condition, Michael as an invalid.
Michael would not present them to the fans or the public. Perhaps Michael said: It is better, the King of Pop is dead. I do not want to frighten my fans
He was a Perfectionist and if one is invalid, then it is no longer perfect.
What are your thoughts

Excerpt From Jerms book via Twitlonger
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/d3h5iu

GiGi (@gatorgirl277)
Posted Thursday 15th September 2011 from Twitlonger

This is another excerpt from Jermaine's book that I think some may have seen and some have not:

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In this exclusive book extract, Jermaine Jackson pieces together the last days and tragic death of his brother Michael:


I saw the performer’s glint return to Michael’s eyes around the autumn of 2008 — the period when his life was back on track, his health was nearing peak fitness and he was physically preparing for the greatest comeback ever seen. He was, for the first time in a long while, just happy.

The guesswork about his health, especially after his death, warped the true picture. People point to a particular photograph, taken in July 2008, of my brother being pushed in a wheelchair, with captions like “too weak to stand, looking frail and in no condition to perform . . .” That was exactly what Michael wanted the media to write. He was aware that everyone doubted he still had “it”. So imagine if he bounced back, going from that state to this. Michael was doing a Willy Wonka, walking out of the chocolate factory to greet the crowds with a crippling limp as everyone gasps with shock — and then he stumbles ... tosses away the cane, does a somersault and everyone cheers. Gotcha. Because no comeback is truly a comeback until the odds seem impossible.

Michael’s life had long been defined by indelible images that captured a myth: from oxygen chambers to surgical masks, from hotel balconies to “whiter” skin. This was him having the last laugh.

Michael was a master manipulator of image, knowing the paparazzi would like to think they’d “caught” him off guard. He wanted the ultimate vindication. The King of Pop turned Comeback King. And here’s a fact to place alongside that wheelchair image: about two months later, he was engaged in brutal choreography training for a comeback tour that had not yet been revealed.

He started requesting CDs, just like old times. He was so obsessed about staying up-to-date that every week he was sent the Top Ten from the Billboard Hot 100 burnt on to one disc. His outlook was positive. His body was back in shape. His focus was the future.

After his This Is It concerts were done, he had two more tours up his sleeve: “back by popular demand” dates that no one knew about. I know what Michael said in March 2009: “When I say this is it, it really means ‘this is it’ ... this is the final curtain-call.” That was his great tease: he was a master salesman, too, and if the world thought that London would be their last opportunity to see him perform, then they would rush to buy tickets.

I was out near Pasadena, the city at the foot of the San Bernardino Mountains, when a good friend — CNN host Larry King — called my wife’s mobile phone to ask if we knew anything “about a TMZ report saying Michael has been being rushed to UCLA hospital”. I wasn’t immediately alarmed because it was hardly the first time the media had got excited about my brother being “rushed” to hospital. But then I called Mother and caught her hurrying out of the door at Hayvenhurst [the Jackson family home]. As soon as I heard her voice, I knew something was very wrong: she sounded fraught with anxiety. “Jermaine! I’m rushing down now. I’ll call you when I get there! Leave now,” she said.

At the hospital, a window looked into a room within a room. La Toya was already there, standing alone, leaning down towards Michael’s face. He was lying on a trolley in a hospital gown.

I steadied myself, took a breath, and entered the side door to the right. I went over to the other side of Michael, reaching down to take his hand, rubbing his still-soft skin. I couldn’t believe how skeletal he was. He seemed half the size he had been a month earlier. If a stranger had walked into the room, they would have assumed he had been ravaged by cancer or anorexia.

What’s happened to you? I knew no amount of rigorous dancing could have left him in this state. I leant down and kissed him on the forehead, telling him I loved him. I found I couldn’t pull away. I lifted one of his eyelids because I wanted to look into his eyes, “see” him one last time.

Look at me, Michael. Look at me.

I rested my forehead against his and wept.

The autopsy report ruled that Michael had had a healthy heart and had died from “acute propofol intoxication”. The media would go on to portray him falsely as a “junkie”, trying to make the link with prescription-drug usage, but that wasn’t the reason why his heart stopped: it was clear that the anaesthetic propofol was everywhere in his system.

Propofol is not a recreational drug and it was not prescription medicine. It is what people are given intravenously as an anaesthetic before major surgery, or doctors use it for sedation. This, I would find out, is what Michael relied on to be “knocked out” when he was desperate for sleep. According to the instructions it should be given only by a trained anaesthetist, and the patient’s intake must be carefully monitored with the appropriate medical equipment in place.

Michael was usually beset by sleeping problems only on tour, so it was, to the best of my knowledge, a departure for him to be using this kind of sleep-inducer during rehearsals. It didn’t surprise me that his insomnia was returning in the run-up to his London dates because of the unimaginable pressure to which he was subjected, most of it self-imposed. He was his own biggest rival in the relentless drive to be perfect in the great comeback he’d envisaged.

Pressure. It would become a theme in everything I went on to discover about the final days of his life.
By the start of June 2009, rehearsals were taking place at the Forum in Inglewood, California, and Michael was apparently still focused and businesslike. Everything was going wonderfully well.

But by mid-June Michael’s health inexplicably started to deteriorate. It all seems to have begun when Michael missed rehearsals on June 13, 14 and 15. Even on the days when he did show up, there were occasions when he’d turn up at 8pm for a 2pm start, as if just getting out of the house was a struggle.

During the week that followed, further worrying signs stacked up. In the routine for Thriller, he turned left when he knew he had to turn right. That was odd in itself, but then he did it a second time. He also started repeating himself — a sentence or a phrase — like someone with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. He struggled to finish one song and he sometimes needed a teleprompter for lyrics. Plus, he had to be helped up and down ramps and flights of stairs.

No one was giving Michael the kid-glove treatment. Instead, I know that he felt belittled on several occasions and he was also yelled at, as witnessed by people who were there. On one occasion, he deliberately spoke into his mike as he walked offstage: “I just want someone to be nice to me today . . .” A voice from the floor yelled back: “If we could just have a coherent person here today!” “They wouldn’t speak to me like that if Joseph [his father] was here,” Michael muttered, off mike.
The thinner Michael became, the colder he got. He began shivering on stage; he was given a thick coat to wear.

Someone, without any authorisation from the promoter, AEG, placed a discreet call to a doctor whom Michael had consulted in the past. After the symptoms had been explained to him, the doctor said it sounded as if Michael was suffering from “toxic poisoning of the brain” and should get to a hospital. For reasons that remain maddening to me, he didn’t go.

I have lain awake at night wondering what was making him so ill. Was his doctor giving him so much anaesthetic that it was slowly poisoning his system? Could my brother have known how much propofol was being injected into him?

The more I hear about those final rehearsals, the clearer it seems that there was a focus on getting to London and hitting that target of 50 concert dates. Somewhere in the pressure that everyone felt, AEG viewed the King of Pop as a performing robot and lost sight of the human being.

AEG delegations were sent to Michael’s home on June 18 and 20 to discuss his no-shows for rehearsals. He was left in no doubt that if he didn’t step up and start delivering, they would not only pull the plug but he was in danger of “losing everything”.

His contract with AEG stated that if he failed to perform he would be liable for all production costs and lost revenue, meaning that his assets, including his prized music catalogue, were collateral up for the taking.

On Saturday, June 20, the director Kenny Ortega visited Michael at home and one hour after he left, choreographer Travis Payne received a phone call from Kenny telling him to get to the house urgently. That same afternoon the musical director, Michael Bearden, made a bizarre announcement to dancers and crew on stage, telling them: “Everyone needs to pray for Michael and send him good wishes.”

This was four days before Michael died. Why would he say such a thing? And why — if we’re at the point of prayers — would the tour continue? Yet the show apparently had to go on.

Bizarrely, everything changed on the final two days of rehearsals, the 23rd and 24th. Michael suddenly showed up looking upbeat, sharp and reinvigorated. It was this version of my brother that the world saw during the This Is It movie; the temporary two-day truth for the box office, not the horrible truth of the preceding weeks.

That last night of his life, rehearsals ran late. There was a full dress rehearsal, which he carried out without a hitch, it seems, before he left at just after midnight on June 25.

When Michael got home he struggled to sleep, with his personal physician, Dr Conrad Murray (hired by AEG for the tour, at Michael’s request) at his side. Within the next 12 hours, he would be dead. He was found on the left side of the bed, where Dr Murray says he tried to carry out CPR. On the floor there was a tube of toothpaste and a string of wooden beads. His laptop and a pair of glasses were on the bedside table. There was also a urine sample in the room. Next to the bed, a tan sofa was, apparently, Dr Murray’s seat.

One fact that has been established from preliminary hearings is that Dr Murray used his iPhone a lot through the early hours of that fateful day. One call was to a woman he’d recently met, logged at 11.51am, some 15 minutes before my brother apparently stopped breathing.

She said she was talking to him when she realised that he wasn’t listening any more but the line was still open and she heard “a commotion — I heard coughing and mumbling”. She tried calling and texting him back, but received no reply.

We’re finding it impossible to accept Michael’s inexplicable decline and that one company didn’t spot that something was seriously wrong.

As a family, we would like to know who else — if anyone — entered and left the house on the night of Michael’s death, but although the LAPD are treating his death as homicide, its investigators decided to retain only the four minutes of CCTV footage showing Dr Murray’s expected arrival. Unless the authorities surprise us, it seems that all other footage has been erased.

It is hard for us to understand why such crucial footage could be wiped like that. It makes us wonder if every stone has been turned in the LAPD’s investigation: it has so far concentrated on one doctor, and one night.

I guess time will tell, but our only hope is that, ultimately, justice doesn’t fail Michael, like everyone else seems to have done.
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I know not everyone may agree with every statement written above by Jermaine, I figure we all have questions about certain statements, but I also see a lot of pertinent information in the text above, too:

Jermaine's statements about his brother being much thinner than he was a month prior matches up to what others have said, too. Not only was there an apparent change in his weight during the month of June but also an apparent change in his demeanor. Lou Ferrigno stated Michael was also healthy and fit when he last saw him which was 3 weeks prior to his death--he had been working with him 3-4 days a week. I am not sure why those training sessions stopped. He noticed no problems of any sort then concerning his frame of mind, either. Dr. Klein (take him or leave him) also stated that Michael looked "fit". He has also stated he was fine until the last three weeks or so that he saw him. Klein mostly saw Michael in April and early May (in the latter part of May Michael saw another doctor named David Rish). Michael saw Klein June 1st, 3rd, 4th, 10th, 16th and the 22nd. Conrad Murray saw Michael daily during that time. Do the math.

The way Jermaine describes Michael in mid-June--this sounds like someone who was suffering from the effects of sedation, namely Versed (midazolam). People who receive this medication can suffer from serious amnesia that persists as well as "brain fog". It can also cause a "hang-over" effect as if someone had been drinking alcohol. Who was giving Versed for sleep? Murray. Versed can be just as deadly as propofol, especially someone with compromised lungs. The more Versed is given, the longer those lingering effects can occur. People who receive sedation at same-day surgery clinics typically receive Versed and they are notified not to sign any important legal documents or to make any important decisions for about 24 hours--and I can almost bet you they did not get near as much Versed as Michael was given by Murray (on top of Ativan and possibly propofol). I am sure they would be told not to dance or do any strenuous activities though whoops, they were anesthetized for a reason. Michael did not have these problems before--these were new, recent. Guess what? Given he was not able to "adjust" to what Murray was giving him that likely indicates he not used to these medications, certainly not in this quantity, either. He wasn't as tolerant as Murray would like to pretend he was, either. People did notice something was wrong, people were concerned, but Murray refused to stop what was causing the problem--HIM. He told concerned individuals to back off--why would a DOCTOR do this? Since when do doctors want to not only see but CAUSE the deterioration of their patient and then DEFEND it? Murray had backing for doing this, too--AEG.

Pressure--sure, Michael did put a lot of pressure on himself to be the best (he already was at his crafts, though)--but AEG's warped "contract" would add immense pressure to anyone. Pressure can cause insomnia--insomnia can cause pressure. See the cycle? Plus, why was there ephedrine in Michael's system when those were supposedly for Murray's use? Why did Murray apparently give him this when anyone with insomnia should not take it? Just another thing to ponder...

I think Murray would like for people to think Michael was "desperate" for sleep but someone with a computer and glasses in the bed (I recall them being on the right side of the bed, not a nightstand) does not sound like someone desperate for sleep or prepared to be anesthetized. Someone with a full urinary bladder does not sound like someone awake (one would naturally wish to relieve themselves and such should have likely woke him up, if he was able to wake up which I do not believe he was able to do). I still want to know why Murray had Michael take a Valium fully-knowing he would be administering the same class of medications to him via IV--that just makes NO sense. That toothpaste and the beads were apparently in the bed (the foot on the left side)--beads were somehow under Michael's back--if he were awake would he have been laying on them? I guess it depends on the size. He also had abrasions on his back, too, presumably from these beads, maybe not. They were there before he died, though.

Murray had his iPhone (supposedly his daughter's phone) and a Sprint cell-phone as well. I won't even get into all those calls again right now but will add that he supposedly called Sade Anding "out of the blue" directly after calling a patient, which he called after calling his office, etc.

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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:11 am

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Confusion, balance problems, absence, he screams and he is very hard, he is aggressive ... etc.
First of all, I am confused as to when Michael ever showed the above symptoms, unless he did show them but I don’t remember…

I love what Jermaine wrote here:
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People point to a particular photograph, taken in July 2008, of my brother being pushed in a wheelchair, with captions like “too weak to stand, looking frail and in no condition to perform . . .” That was exactly what Michael wanted the media to write. He was aware that everyone doubted he still had “it”. So imagine if he bounced back, going from that state to this. Michael was doing a Willy Wonka, walking out of the chocolate factory to greet the crowds with a crippling limp as everyone gasps with shock — and then he stumbles ... tosses away the cane, does a somersault and everyone cheers. Gotcha. Because no comeback is truly a comeback until the odds seem impossible.

To me, that seems like a very exciting thing but taken one step further by Michael if you add it to the hoax…instead of being ‘Willy Wonka’ with the cane and being in the wheelchair, he has taken it to a new level by ‘dying’ and then it really does seem totally impossible for a comeback….or is it Wink

Now that I have read further into the part of Jermaine’s book, I see where he has written about the symptoms….but since when was Jermaine even at the rehearsals to witness this?

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but AEG's warped "contract" would add immense pressure to anyone.

Sorry, I have a disagreement with the line above….Michael didn’t even sign a contract with AEG because Randy Philips said so himself! There is a video I watched somewhere on Youtube where he said it! (Sorry, I can't remember what it is called but I guess some of you have seen it, right? Smile)

I have always said that the whole drugs story has been interwoven into the hoax because that is then a story for the trial to work and for MJ to fake his death…without the story that Michael was using drugs or being given them, there would be a huge amount of questions as to how he ‘died’…more than what there are now! Adding to that, maybe I am just in denial that Michael even used drugs because in my eyes and a lot of people’s eyes, he is perfect and would never do such a thing….especially to his kids! But then that brings me back to Jermaine's earlier statement:

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“too weak to stand, looking frail and in no condition to perform . . .” That was exactly what Michael wanted the media to write. He was aware that everyone doubted he still had “it”. So imagine if he bounced back, going from that state to this.


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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:37 pm


Excellent valid points guyz & very informative, I too got a renewed sense of optimism with jermaines wheel chair comment & totally agree with you captain eo what would be an even greater miracle then a lame man dancing like no other?
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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:41 pm

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a dead man rising from the dead like a Phoenix from the ashes, keep the faith it's all for love.

Exactly and thank you Smile

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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:25 pm

Guys at the moment I do not remember what is above and what is below. It's all so confusing. Jermaine has described the symptoms of toxicity poisoning of the brain so perfect. So I am assuming that he has seen it. This can only be described as perfect, if one was there. This is the first variant.
Or, this is the second version: A very good doctor is behind this whole circus. A physician who provides such information, so that the whole swindle sounds credible It's almost too perfect.

@ Emma, ​​I know we all want a perfect Michael, without drugs, I wish me that Michael is consuming no drugs. But life is sometimes strange ways.
Maybe everything is a lie. But we must not forget Medicaments and drugs are near together,
Can you remember that time, from these two major shows? I'm not sure it was 30 Anniversary at Madison Square Garden? Guys because our Michael was drugged by something that everyone could see. At this point I do not think that this is already starting the hoax.
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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:31 pm

Manu, Captain_EO, Rogerrabbit, you three never cease to illuminate me ! Very Happy
I can see where I misinterpreted what Jermaine said, I apologize for that.

When I read what Manu had to say, I got dishearten. But, then when I think about it more, does Michael really seem like the one to do drugs ? To poison his system, being the health-conscious man we all know he is ?
Those reasons are why I don't want to, and I can't believe that he would ever do that. Michael is a VERY VERY intelligent, loving man, that being said, I don't believe he would put dangerous drugs into his system for two MAJOR reasons :
1. He's health conscious, is in top condition, probably, aside from being thin - but then, he's always been thin, as a dancer he must be. He's SUCH a smart man, too. That being said, he obviously knows what can happen from prolonged drug abuse, right ? So in that case, I don't see how him putting those poisons into his body is a possibility.
2. His love for his children, family, and fans. Him being the genius he is, he knows what can happen if he abuses drugs. Would he risk his life for these drugs, and leave his children ? When if comes to the hoax, people often say, HE'D NEVER LEAVE HIS CHILDREN ! Well, in my opinion, I think this matter is much the same. He'd never kill himself just to feel better, and risk hurting everyone in such a way.

We don't know just how long he's been planning this. For all we know, he could have been planning it for a long long time. But, we won't know until we're given the answers we're seeking.

All I know is this ; Too much doesn't add up for me. Though I may not be the best investigator, but I learn from you guys to look harder, and I love hearing your opinions and your theories and your information ! So even if I may not add up all the time, I'm glad to hear what you all find ! Very Happy

And in Jermaine's book - I GOT EXCITED. What he said about Michael and the wheelchair and all that (too excited to be more specific !), LIKE REALLY JERMAINE 'AIRPORT' JACKSON ?! You couldn't be more obvious !

I do have this to say, though. In the event, that's not likely, that Michael is indeed passed on. I think that Jermaine should feel like a hypocrite ! He told Pearl Jr that she should be ashamed for helping us, but the way he talks sometimes ? He's no better ! He should be ashamed of himself. If he's not going to outright tell the public to stop beLIEving, and he KNOWS for a 100% fact he is no longer here, KNOWING we beLIEve, he's looking pretty bad in that aspect. Rather than leading us to some kind of comfort, he's letting us go on like this.

That is to say, I know we're right because of this aspect aswell. Nobody has made a statement to tell us we need to heal, and come to peace with his passing. Jermaine used Twitter. Because of this, Jermaine, I won't ever stop beLIEving.

Anyways, I hope I made sense lol! Loving this discussion though guys, let's try to keep it up !

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a dead man rising from the dead like a Phoenix from the ashes, keep the faith it's all for love.


Thank you, rogerrabbit for your words. . . . I feel renewed confidence ! I feel stronger reading your words ! Thank you ! Hopefully not much longer, guys, until he rises ! Let's keep our spirits high ! What a Face
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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:56 am

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@ Emma, ??I know we all want a perfect Michael, without drugs, I wish me that Michael is consuming no drugs. But life is sometimes strange ways.
Maybe everything is a lie. But we must not forget Medicaments and drugs are near together,
Can you remember that time, from these two major shows? I'm not sure it was 30 Anniversary at Madison Square Garden? Guys because our Michael was drugged by something that everyone could see. At this point I do not think that this is already starting the hoax.

Yes Manu, I understand what you mean but even so, I still do not think that Michael would take drugs the way he has said to have done…But again, that may just be me not willing to accept that he could be like that…I will say it again, to me he is perfect and would never do such a thing…I agree with beLIEve in L.O.V.E...

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does Michael really seem like the one to do drugs ? To poison his system, being the health-conscious man we all know he is ?

Also, this is one thing I totally agree with:

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When if comes to the hoax, people often say, HE'D NEVER LEAVE HIS CHILDREN ! Well, in my opinion, I think this matter is much the same. He'd never kill himself just to feel better, and risk hurting everyone in such a way.
The more I read the above, the more right you seem...Both circumstances come down to the same thing...if he really was taking drugs, then he is still taking the risk of leaving his children behind!

I think this is a brilliant topic too! I love the way the conversation has gone between us all! I also want to add this…In this hoax, everything that we say or think is never wrong but it is also never right…we will never really know if the things we have talked about are correct or not. But we have got to carry on finding the things we have.

The same goes for me…the main reason I am a beLIEver is because probably like every other beLIEver, I just cannot say goodbye to Michael but with all of the inconsistencies, all of the odd things going on, from similarities to Elvis’ ‘death’ to death certificates, to helicopter journeys, to things the Jackson’s have said, these all only make my beliefs stronger and I truly believe that one day the truth will come to us all…we will all be rewarded for the things we have noticed and for not backing down just because some people call us beLIEvers 'crazy'!

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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:13 pm

At all of you.

Congratulations to all of you. You all make a great job.

We are all here on this forum, to investigate. to find answer to many questions. At the moment we are in a very difficult situation in a very sensitive point. There are now over 2 years. And yet nothing has happened.

Many people are tired, have lost faith or just the interest. We are not very many here. Now it is very important that we stick together, we are one family and we believe in Michael.
It is important that our observations, our thoughts, share our information with each other. Positive and negative.
I do not want to hurt the feelings of someone. I want to find the truth.

@ Emma, you're a wonderful young woman .... Your dedication and energy is enormous .... if Michael would know this .. LOL

Emma, if I want something: Then is my wish, that Michael JOE Jackson when he returns, as first, takes you firmly into the arm. You deserve the biggest hug from him.
I believe in Michael and I believe in the good. Michael's Music has helped me a lot in my life. Michael and his music are part of my life and my past. So ladies and gentlemen, Let's go together and keep us. it's all for the love.

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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:51 pm

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@ Emma, you're a wonderful young woman .... Your dedication and energy is enormous .... if Michael would know this .. LOL

Emma, if I want something: Then is my wish, that Michael JOE Jackson when he returns, as first, takes you firmly into the arm. You deserve the biggest hug from him.
I believe in Michael and I believe in the good. Michael's Music has helped me a lot in my life. Michael and his music are part of my life and my past. So ladies and gentlemen, Let's go together and keep us. it's all for the love.

I love you all Manu flower sunny

Thank you so much for these kind words Manu! They mean a lot to me! You all deserve the biggest hug from him! Very Happy

One thing I want to say is go watch Pearl Jr's latest video! The part about a comment posted by the official MJ Tribute concert amazed me! I am sure it will do the same to you too! Teo posted the video in another topic here Smile

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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:18 pm

you're welcome Emma. it comes from my heart.
This video of Pearl. Read English that is ok. for me. But if someone speaks English, that's too fast for me. I can not understand.
Can you please tell me, the most important? that would be very nice. flower flower Manu
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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:15 am

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you're welcome Emma. it comes from my heart.

I know it does, which is why it means a lot to me I love you

Well I think the most important part from the whole video was just the part where the official FB page for the MJ tribute concert posted something that basically said, "Why not come and see MICHAEL JACKSON at Cardiff, Wales..." Then it changed to "Why not come and see the MICHAEL JACKSON TRIBUTE CONCERT in Cardiff, Wales..." Or something like that! But that is very strange that they said come and see 'Michael Jackson'....right? Wink

Secondly was probably Paris' tweets....one said "I'm alive"...the exact same tweet that Omer Bhatti wrote and then She wrote a reply tweet to someone...they wrote to her, ".....where ever Michael may be..." (or something along those lines) and she replied, "The best way to find someone is to let them come to you..." (Again, they may not be the exact words, but it was something like that) Smile

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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:47 am

Aaahhhh .... That's interesting. Thank you so much Emma.
And that's what I'm going to Cardiff.
I want to see what's going on.
I think it's important for me to go to this concert. I think this is the place where I will feel very close to Michael .. With all these other people, fans. I want to feel the magic once in a lifetime.
So I will see life a couple of family members. You understand.?
Not only by pictures in the press or on TV, I want to see the family LIVE.
And in this environment I will be near Michael, as never before in my life.
Why do not you come also to Cardiff, Emma yes you live in the united kingdom?

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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:13 am

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Why do not you come also to Cardiff, Emma yes you live in the united kingdom?

Yeah, I live in the UK...not that close to Wales but compared to other places MJ has done concerts, yeah it is very close! I said this on the FB TruthPrevails group....I just feel like I don't want to go Neutral I may be making a huge mistake saying that but the people who are performing aren't really my thing lol! They are all great artists and I love that they are paying tribute to Michael, but I just get the feeling that it's not going to be that exciteing for me....On the other hand, it would be amazing to meet some other MJ fans!

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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:32 am


@ believe in love your welcome.
michael's use of a wheel chair is the michael I know well & as we all know Michael doesn't do things by halves but why should Michael use such stunts?, the media tended to ignore anything positive about him & seeing him in apparent failing health is sure to get coverage, also I think we've all overlooked a falsehood from day one, michael has supposed died from prescribed medications NOT drug use because by the media's definition we'd all be drug users for using medicine, the media also claims he was a hardcore drug user which is complete tabloid, none of us are immune to illness physical or otherwise, although michael the performer is a dynamo on stage Michael the man has suffered with anxiety so it is also conceivable that he may have suffered from depression which brings me to Manu's post regarding the 30th aniversary. 
@ manu I agree, there is something about michael's eyes that suggest he may have been on medication, check out Liz Taylor & Michael arriving for the show, I think this might of been the time michael had to go into a rehabilitation clinic which is mentioned in Randy Taraborrelli's biography, but none of that proves anything only that Michael is no different than 80% of people who suffer from a form of mental illness during their lives.

As far as I know Michael over came the illness & his performance in this is it can testify this where he looks sharp & alert but acceptably tired in a section or two.

As for Michael looking like an anorexic or cancer sufferer, nope, besides even if that was the case who would broadcast that info of his brother it's too undigified, also I believe that la toya claimed they gaffer tapped a sequin glove onto michael's hand, I  wouldn't do that to John doe never mind michael Jackson, it's like a competition to see who can get the most mockable information out there, does anyone remember how michael would leak fake stories like the oxyegen chamber Joseph merricks bones & the prince stories, are they all working to michael's script & the one who puts out the most bizzare story with a straight face wins, I guess this would explain why some of michael's siblings smile during interviews post death, think keep the faith it's all for love.

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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:37 pm

You're so right. (:
I just don't understand it anymore, but I do feel like something's coming, something major.

One clear thing we have to think during this crazy, winding hoax is this question : Why are things like this ? It's not right. Nothing adds up. And why ? WHY is this so mucked up ? Only two reasons are clear to me : Michael Joe Jackson faked his death. Or he was murdered. This was NO accident.

I think what you said about the straight face thing was right. So far, I feel like Jermaine or Miss Katherine are in the lead. Jermaine's been popping up EVERYWHERE to speak about his book and Michael, but why ?
And some of the things he says are so questionable, like him mentioning the plane he was going to spirit Michael away to Bahrain on, or in his book clarifying for us that his middle name is in fact Joe, not Joseph, or what Manu posted recently, about Jermaine saying randomly that Michael is safe and they know where he is.

It's frustrating ! But, maybe, just MAYBE October 8th will be a shock for the world - a real Thriller.

Perhaps the end is near ? (:

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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:10 am

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Jermaine's been popping up EVERYWHERE to speak about his book and Michael, but why ?
And some of the things he says are so questionable, like him mentioning the plane he was going to spirit Michael away to Bahrain on, or in his book clarifying for us that his middle name is in fact Joe, not Joseph

I bought Jermaine's book as soon as I saw Pearl Jr's video saying it does prove Michael's middle name is Joe! I thought, hmm...maybe it will give some other clues, but I have only managed to read the prologue so far and it had me in tears! It's only 9 pages long! lol! I was so upset about the way Jermaine talked about his visit to Michael in the hospital and the part where he spoke about Mike writing on the mirror...

But anyway, that aside, I also looked through the photos. Have you all seen the one where there is a picture of Mike in disguise? I would never have guessed it was him! The makeup and stuff used totally transforms him! I wondered if that was a clue to us?

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PostSubject: Re: So, What IS Going On ?!   Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:12 am

I do not have the book, but I've seen the photo.
So, I would not have known Michael on the road.
I still hope, perhaps Michael is sitting in the audience at the concert in Cardiff.
LOL. Disguised so that no one recognizes him.
I have studied many videos, where Michael is sitting in the audience as a guest.
His legs, his arms as he moves, etc. .....
lol! lol! lol! cheers Manu
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